I think it was very opinionated if he was encouraged by others in the voice call. If it was really that big of an issue at that given moment, sluds should've asked another mod who had less bias to handle it, not perm ban him.
this rule is absolute crap and can be exploited EASILY
The topic should not be what he should have done, everyone makes mistakes. The topic should be if the ban was justified, and I think it was, for the same reasons listed above. at the end of the day it doesn't matter how or why he was banned, but did he cross the line enough to warrant the ban, and I think he did cross the line. and even then, the incident was handled privately shortly after.
how? if someone does something hurtful to the community it says, it's right there in the rule.
That rule was exploited in the banning of Tiberius though, they disliked Tib and their biased opinion was that his behavior was harmful to the server/community. When he was banned it was quickly handled by another moderator who clearly saw the same problem with Tib's ban. The ban was sudden and unwarranted. The rule allows mods to make poor decisions.
what warns did he have at the time
What rule? From what I remember he simply critiqued a plot, and it was considered pushing the limits. EDIT: I looked at old discord messaged and I think I was right about what rule he was banned for. I was not online at the time, but to my knowledge he was criticizing a plot, which is allowed, if he was toxic about it, and had enough active warns, I would agree he should be banned, but afaik he should've at most gotten a mute. I could be missing information, but Sluds did apologize so I assume I am right and he did do nothing to call for a ban.
The rule was brought up to defend him, so I assume that was what sluds told people. I said we do all make mistakes, but I think that it was really bad that a group of people got someone banned so easily, despite doing nothing that called for a perm ban.
This was internally resolved if it's any consolation, and I was apart of the discussion. We don't often announce these discussions because it's not like we want to shame anyone and we make mistakes, hence why it might seem we don't do anything about it, but I promise that we take the time to make sure people improve and become a great moderator. People make mistakes, and we continue to try and thrive as a team. Not everyone is perfect, but I'm glad to say this has been resolved and thoroughly discussed.
I agree 100%, I kinda thought there was some resolution, I assume then that it will never happen again, I just have no way of knowing 100% if the members of frog bog are trustworthy, as you have former members saying they aren't, and current members saying they are. I enjoy this server, but it's concerning to me that its members cannot know for sure which staff members to trust. I feel that sluds should be forgiven for that specific incident, but I am concerned as to what other decisions have been unfairly made by frog bog. I do not know for sure so I do not want to make accusations, but I have heard from a couple trusted people how bad the nepotism is, which I am starting to realize they may be right.This was internally resolved if it's any consolation. People make mistakes, and we continue to try and thrive as a team. Not everyone is perfect, but I'm glad to say this has been resolved and thoroughly discussed.
I can tell you that the former members have had transgressions with the bog because of a past incident that caused a huge ban wave down to only a couple people. I don't wanna say publicly what the incident was, that's up to @duwusty to say, but I can guarantee you none of the frog bog members, (atleast to my knowledge) have intentionally done anything that should warrant the dissolvement of the server.
I do not believe the server should be dissolved completely, but I believe what goes on in it may be harmful to the community. There is definitely more I do not know, and I will admit, my view could be totally wrong, but with what I have seen thus far, I believe its members should be monitored more closely.
And thats completely fair, though ryanroo has said in the past, and also very recently that the admins consider bias and nepotism when choosing jrhelpers. There are plenty of people frog has pushed for promotion in the past that don't even get accepted. Point is, we're all tired of the drama and we only want to be left alone. which is why frog made this post, to clear the air surrounding the server and trying to be as transparent as possible without revealing personal info.
I agree, I just feel it should be kept out of the moderation decisions.
I do not feel that it itself is connected to DF, but many of the people in it are, which is why it is such a concern in the DF community.
I just addressed that the trial mod system is great, it is very helpful and fixes a few problems in the staff team.
From experience with the bog tho, it's not always the best idea to let it out in an area full of people if it's hostile or attacking.. I just don't want to be involved in anything like it again; we all get frustrated, but people need to learn that actions have consequences. Any negative talk, I would probably bring it into DMs because it can be transferred around like a water stream. This was never really addressed on my side unfortunately.
